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Spooky: Mark Penn's book the cause of "Snipergate"?

Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:43:48 PM PDT

Okay, so this is spooky.

I was reading Ezra Klein's excellent thumbs-down review of Mark Penn's Microtrends, to better understand why this man ever has a job.  And Ezra quotes an amazing passage that could explain where Hillary Clinton got the idea for Snipergate (not to mention impressively ... perhaps too impressively ... predicting Wright-gate).

Here's the quote:

Ask anyone in politics and they will agree—they face "snipers" every day who are trying to find one flinch, one out-of-place word to put on Drudge or YouTube.

More below the break.

Ezra provides context for this quote:

This isn’t an isolated example. In a chapter called "Aspiring Snipers," Penn explains, "It’s the rare moment when a poll stops me in my tracks and reorients my understanding of things." One such poll was conducted last fall, when Bendixen and Associates asked 601 young Californians what they’d be doing in 10 years. About 1 percent—so, a handful—said they’d be snipers. Certainly, that’s an odd reply. But Penn never mentions that the Bendixen poll had a margin of error of plus-or-minus 4 percent—four being a larger number than one. Additionally, it’s meaningless without further study. Anyone in the age bracket would attribute it to video games, or snipers being, let’s admit it, quite cool. Yet Penn, based on no follow-up interviews, detects a "new patriotism," and a desire "to master complex mathematical formulas like how distance or wind might affect the path of the bullet." This simply isn’t professional work. (It is bitter, though. Penn concludes the chapter by complaining, "Ask anyone in politics and they will agree—they face ‘snipers’ every day who are trying to find one flinch, one out-of-place word to put on Drudge or YouTube." It takes a special sort of self-regard to compare the danger of being embedded on YouTube to being hunted down in urban warfare.)

Okay, so follow this.  Penn writes a book in which, in part, he bemoans "gotcha" politics of the sort that seemed to threaten Obama's candidacy after the Wright video came out. (We still don't know who, exactly, edited the video such that it removed all context from the good Reverend's sermons - I personally doubt it was Brian Ross.  But nobody, to my knowledge, has asked him.)

To illustrate his point, he brings up some random stat about six kids who want to be, of all things ... SNIPERS!

Now, this guy is the message guy for Hillary Clinton.  It's not unlikely that, following the Wright brouhaha and Obama's speech decrying just this sort of "gotcha"/YouTube experience, perhaps Penn and possibly the candidate herself referred back to his short chapter, "Aspiring Snipers," to try to contextualize the incident and similar ones over the long death march that is this primary season.

Do you think ... is it possible ... that THIS is where Hillary got her false memory from?  I know it's a stretch, but come on -- it's just too much of a coincidence.

Perhaps -- and I'm not excusing the Senator from the Empire State -- but perhaps instead of being a flat-out lie, this was more of a Reaganesque flight of fantasy.

See, back in the 80s, Reagan told stories that, it turns out, were not so much true.  In one case, he claimed to Jewish leaders to have photographed the death camps in Eastern Europe during their liberation.  (Actually, he was in Hollywood, but had recently seen a movie about it.)

And then there was the tale he told in 1983 to the National Convention of the Congressional Medal of Honor Societye:

And I found my memory going back to those things that I had read during the war, any one of them a thrilling story of heroism above and beyond the call of duty. But one in particular seemed appropriate at that time. A B - 17 coming back across the channel from a raid over Europe, badly shot up by antiaircraft, the ball turret that hung underneath the belly of the plane had taken a hit. The young ball-turret gunner was wounded, and they couldn't get him out of the turret there while flying.

But over the channel, the plane began to lose altitude, and the commander had to order bail out. And as the men started to leave the plane, the last one to leave -- the boy, understandably, knowing he was left behind to go down with the plane, cried out in terror -- the last man to leave the plane saw the commander sit down on the floor. He took the boy's hand and said, ``Never mind, son, we'll ride it down together.'' Congressional Medal of Honor, posthumously awarded.

They in another society give their highest honor to a political assassin. We gave ours to a man who would sacrifice his life simply to bring comfort to a boy who had to die.

Problem was, this story too was from a movie.

My guess is that, like Reagan, Hillary isn't at heart a liar (well, she is, but not in this case or hospitalgate).  Rather, she's an unconscious fabulist, who hears buzzwords and then uses them to create in her mind more interesting stories or more provocative memories.  Nice traits to have if you're a crazy uncle; unfortunate ones to have for a presidential candidate in this new YouTube world.

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  •  That's hilarious. I just love the way she (2+ / 0-)

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    recalls her alleged memories.  So much vivid detail and emotion.  She'd be a really good novelist or actress.  Anything to do with making up stories with details and emotions.

    •  I have to disagree (3+ / 0-)

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      I think one of the reasons people start to research her stories is because they raise red flags.  They sound a bit TOO "off" and I think she has a "tell."  Not sure what it is yet - something in the tone of her voice - but I think she'd be a mediocre actor at best.

      Not to mention how embarrassingly awkward her jokes can be, particularly the Rocky one about stopping halfway up the steps!

      "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." --Dan Quayle

      by jakester on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:01:26 AM PDT

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      •  Well, you have me with her jokes. (3+ / 0-)

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        But she almost cried when she recalled hurling her bookbag across the room when MLK died.  And who can forget New Hampshire?  It was the performance of the year.

        •  ugh, New Hampshire was the WORST (3+ / 0-)

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          I just ... believe so much ... in this country.  (Is it wrong to love a country TOO much?  Gee I hope not!)  And, you know, we all put ourselves out there, and it's hard when there are so many obstacles, but (sniff) some of us are ready on day one and some of us (sniff sniff) just aren't ready on day one.  But I just believe SO MUCH in this country!  Is the thing!

          Sorry.  I know we're supposed to come together and stop with the negativity.  Personally I can not forgive her for letting Rev. Wright get slandered.  I mean, I understand that he pretty much directly insulted her and her husband, and she's most likely very, very pissed about that.  I would be, too!  But to refuse to point out the fact that this was a hit job permanently soured me on her.  That and the Michigan/Florida "disenfranchisement" crap, which could seriously backfire in November.  That, and the other, and the "threshold" crap.  

          Okay, there's lots of reasons I can't stop being negative just ... quite ... yet!

          "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." --Dan Quayle

          by jakester on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:25:43 AM PDT

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          •  I agree with you - if she cannot defend her (1+ / 0-)

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            fellow Democrat, a person she claims as a FRIEND (before and after the election), how on earth are we supposed to believe that she will defend us ALL? If you claim to fight for justice, it has to be for all--that's why Obama came out and said McCain is NOT a warmonger. Truth is truth. Justice is justice. And she can't even FAKE sincerity, which Bill is certainly good at doing.

      •  Insincerity and bad acting (1+ / 0-)

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        Those are her tells.

        John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

        by dawnt on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:22:25 AM PDT

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  •  I think when you listen to the level (1+ / 0-)

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    of detail in her acacount nd then you look at the original news tape, the only valid conclusion is a lie rather than a false memory.

    A mother would remember when her child is subjected to sniper fire.  

    I can imagine if I and my daughter had to duck sniper fire, it's something we would talk about for the rest of our lives.

    All the other details she provided were too much to constitute a false memory. Too elaborate, too evolved over time.

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:13:01 AM PDT

    •  It did happen. Just not to her. (3+ / 0-)

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      Did Penn remember the news accounts, but garble the part about which female senator was present? And write up some remarks for Hillary, and she felt they were too good not to use?

      In October 1995, six months before then-first lady Clinton led a delegation to Tuzla, Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) and six other senators went on a fact-finding mission through war-torn Sarajevo, just before the Dayton accords resulted in a U.S. military presence on the ground in Bosnia.

      Snowe's congressional delegation had an experience remarkably similar to the one Sen. Clinton (D-N.Y.) described in a speech delivered on St. Patrick's Day. Clinton has since said that she "misspoke" when she recalled arriving in Tuzla under sniper fire.

      Unlike Clinton's version, Snowe's story was backed up news accounts. Clinton's story has been debunked by sources including television news accounts and the memories of the comedian Sinbad.

  •  Please send in your moving life experiences.. (1+ / 0-)

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    Sen. Clinton, who as led a boring life, is entitled to YOUR life story. She will honor you by weaving them into a nice life lesson, embellish with interesting detail, and deliver the stories with a self-deprecating chuckle. So much better use for your life than you can come up with.

    John McCain: Elmer Fudd or Yosemite Sam?

    by organicdemocrat on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 03:16:01 AM PDT

  •  You mean like that time when I was (0+ / 0-)

    in Ireland and I took out that NAFTA sniper with my bookbag?

    "You don't make peace with friends. You make it with very unsavory enemies." Yitzhak Rabin

    by pikkel on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 03:41:57 AM PDT

  •  I've wondered the same thing... (2+ / 0-)

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    Someone is taking bits and pieces of conversations with her and embellishing them into stories for her speeches. If it's Penn, he's still around. The "demotion" was just for show; even he says it is meaningless. Didn't even miss a conference call.

    And what's the diff? Bill made more money lobbying for Columbia than he did,getting an award for it to boot.

  •  Reagan lived IN Hollywood movies (1+ / 0-)

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    They WERE 'reality' to him......

    It's as if nothing real existed if it wasn't recorded on celluloid, if there wasn't an audience....   I think his biographer said something similar explaining his book.  Never read it but there was some controversy over the way it was written.

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